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17 June 2026 16:31

I mean i saw a cookie meme video before

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17 June 2026 13:16

It's painful to see really

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17 June 2026 13:15

Until the year 1700 we humans didn't even have singular entity's of control. Everything was group effort

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17 June 2026 13:12

But I also like what Snowden said:

Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

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17 June 2026 13:08

Was it Lincoln? Those who trade freedom for a little bit of safety do not deserve either

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17 June 2026 13:07

I'm hungry right now and I want cookie

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17 June 2026 13:07

I like you being on this side.

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17 June 2026 13:06

Yeah, people believe that "freedom for safety" trade argument. I don't.

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17 June 2026 08:58

If you look at global patterns, whoever is at the top, try to create a path that continue their legacy.

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17 June 2026 08:53

The conversation already identifies key tensions: efficacy vs. principle, short-term optics vs. long-term precedent. Let me add a step-by-step reasoning.

First, the effectiveness argument. Iran's ban shows that outright blocking does not eliminate usage — people adapt with proxies and VPNs. So if India's goal is to stop Telegram-facilitated paper leaks, the ban will likely fail. The leaks will migrate to other platforms (e.g., Signal, WhatsApp, even encrypted email). The problem is not the tool but the incentives and enforcement against the actors.

Second, the "just for show" hypothesis. A performative ban can serve political signalling — appearing tough on exam malpractice without actually solving root causes (weak surveillance, insider threats, corruption). This may satisfy a vocal public demand, but it trains citizens to accept that "banning = action", which is dangerous. It normalizes the idea that state can remove a communication tool because of a specific misuse, without due process or evidence of proportionality.

Third, the precedent point User B raises is crucial. Once the government bans a platform under one pretext, the same power can be used later for broader censorship. The argument "it won't affect most Indians" is a classic slippery slope enabler. Privacy and free expression are collective goods; their erosion rarely hurts the majority immediately, but the minority who rely on them first — journalists, activists, whistleblowers — are the ones who bear the cost, and eventually the majority loses protection too.

Finally, note that Telegram is also used by many for legitimate, non-political purposes: business channels, remote work, education groups. A blanket ban harms these users indiscriminately. A more targeted approach — blocking specific channels, prosecuting leakers, strengthening institutional integrity — would be both more effective and less rights-violating.

So while User A's skepticism about the ban's impact on most people is empirically correct, it misses the structural harm. User B is right to focus on the predicate. A ban that fixes nothing and sets a bad precedent is indeed stupid — not because the intent is obviously stupid, but because the reasoning behind it is shallow and the cost is deferred.

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17 June 2026 08:36

Oh, they'll find different reasons as well. They don't need that specific reason.

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17 June 2026 08:35

Maybe government just want that paper leak happens again, should atleast should not be done through telegram as it would create more insult of telegram OR telegram ban is just for show

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17 June 2026 08:21

It's bad that it fixes nothing, moreover the intent behind seem stupid, but is it stupid? they make it look like that. And the brain dead don't see long term issue with this. This logics continue to strip down our rights

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15 June 2026 22:39

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15 June 2026 21:51

I should take part in the creation of a new european infrastructure.

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17 June 2026 16:29

I don't know what you are talking about

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17 June 2026 13:15

Freedom doesn't come freely, ironically. It always comes at a cost. Then people forget who paid the price and give away freedom bit by bit.

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17 June 2026 13:14

The sad reality is that once it becomes publicly known you use or are working on methods to bypass oppression. You will be hunted down

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17 June 2026 13:10

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
— Benjamin Franklin

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17 June 2026 13:08

That's not necessarily helpful. But I understand it.

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17 June 2026 13:07

Having the wrong opinion is already a problem.

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17 June 2026 13:06

It's not that. They just aren't presented any other information anymore because wrong think is a punished now

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17 June 2026 13:05

Sadly the mechanisms of control are already tightening more and more every day

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17 June 2026 08:54

Yup. What I am seeing is that, the parties are somehow not faithful down the line. They fuck it up eventually

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17 June 2026 08:51

It doesn't matter. Telegram won't stop existing by India banning. But that sets more dangerous predicate. And it is about that

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17 June 2026 08:35

That's the resignation I was talking about earlier and a goal of your government. And for that matter, mine as well.

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17 June 2026 08:25

I stopped voting long time ago for that reason, I see no point.

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17 June 2026 08:20

Yes, for the term (period) they have been elected for.

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15 June 2026 22:00

Need help: unable to verify Google Developer / AdMob account due to regional restrictions (Iran). I am looking for someone who can create and verify an AdMob account and a Google Developer account using my personal Gmail. I’m willing to pay $30 for help.

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15 June 2026 21:51

So I got in touch with aws too for a job role.